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                        <title>RE: Anyone dealing with AGL?</title>
                        <link>https://mikeholtshow.com/community/boe-questions-and-answers/anyone-dealing-with-agl/#post-24</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2026 03:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@ozboss Hi have you still not paid a AGL bill? Did they disconnect you? I want to try pay BOE for AGL mobile and internet in victoria. Do I write on bill Pay to the order of AGL Sales (Victo...]]></description>
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                        <title>RE: Anyone dealing with AGL?</title>
                        <link>https://mikeholtshow.com/community/boe-questions-and-answers/anyone-dealing-with-agl/#post-23</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2026 03:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@linge08 hI i know it&#039;s been a yaer since your post I am wondering how did you go with AGL since? Did you originally follow all the templates available on how to do a BOE?]]></description>
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                        <title>Constitution</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2026 20:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Constitution 
What edition should I get who exactly include BOE act in it ? Is the Amazon short copy covers this Act ?]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Constitution </p>
<p>What edition should I get who exactly include BOE act in it ? <br />Is the Amazon short copy covers this Act ?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>BOE for Origin Energy</title>
                        <link>https://mikeholtshow.com/community/boe-questions-and-answers/boe-for-origin-energy/#post-21</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2025 01:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Hi All,Asking for assistance with how to do a BOE for Origin energy, is there anything specific or any updates etc. that need to be considered/included?Has anyone had any experience with Ori...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All,<br /><br />Asking for assistance with how to do a BOE for Origin energy, is there anything specific or any updates etc. that need to be considered/included?<br /><br />Has anyone had any experience with Origin and doing BOE's?<br /><br />They are attempting to use the estimated meter reads wrongly, trying to charge for power already paid for etc. estimating using old readings then saying you owe us for that. Plain wrong. Should this point be raised before doing the BOE?<br /><br />Have been in dispute with them previously about not applying the Gov rebates - but they can do no wrong.<br /><br />Any and all help is much appreciated, thanks.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>BOE in the UK and Deed Poll name changed.</title>
                        <link>https://mikeholtshow.com/community/boe-questions-and-answers/boe-in-the-uk-and-deed-poll-name-changed/#post-20</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2025 01:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Hello, as the title says. I am in the UK and want to pay my fraudulent Council Tax using BOE, I changed my name some years ago and would like some information please from anyone regarding an...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, as the title says. I am in the UK and want to pay my fraudulent Council Tax using BOE, I changed my name some years ago and would like some information please from anyone regarding any problems that can occur having changed my name from the Birth Certificate name to a new Deed Poll chosen name.</p>
<p>So to clarify, are there any complications that may arise using Trusts or paying bills with BOE or anything that I should know regarding a name change please.</p>
<p>Kind regards,</p>
<p>Stuart.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Anyone dealing with AGL?</title>
                        <link>https://mikeholtshow.com/community/boe-questions-and-answers/anyone-dealing-with-agl/#post-19</link>
                        <pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2025 03:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I have just had continuous bills from AGL and then reminder notices they&#039;ve not been paid and then eventually they disconnected our power.  My husband had to pay the outstanding amount in or...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just had continuous bills from AGL and then reminder notices they've not been paid and then eventually they disconnected our power.  My husband had to pay the outstanding amount in order to get power reconnected however he did this in a payment plan over the phone without giving our bank details and without making a payment...definitely didn't make sense.  We never received any letters advising they did not accept our claims, just the bills and then disconnection notices that they followed through with.  We did not pursue trespass, we arranged a payment plan to get power as it was in the height of summer and we could not go without refrigeration.  Having an argument with some numpty over the phone was not worth the hassle.  They also did not recognise electricity is a requirement to sustain life unless someone in the house was on life support.  Next quarter will be another thing.  We'll have another go and pursue further.  BTW we also went outside to the meter box after the guy left disconnecting it and we simply flipped the switch and it all came back on.  So, if you do get disconnected and they baffle you with ensuring the switch in the meter box is in the off position before they re-connect, kinda thinking that it's a bit of BS too.  The guy didn't need to come back and turn it on, we did it ourselves.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Anyone dealing with AGL?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2025 00:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@johnwick the barcode is irrelevant. You don&#039;t have to worry about it. Nor do you have to try and do their job for them. It&#039;s their responsibility to know how to process BoE&#039;s.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@johnwick the barcode is irrelevant. You don't have to worry about it. Nor do you have to try and do their job for them. It's their responsibility to know how to process BoE's.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://mikeholtshow.com/community/"></category>                        <dc:creator>Wasana</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: BoE in the Netherlands, Europe. Please help.</title>
                        <link>https://mikeholtshow.com/community/boe-questions-and-answers/boe-in-the-netherlands-europe-please-help/#post-17</link>
                        <pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2025 00:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[This is a common problem, I&#039;m afraid. Government bureaucrats are not only lazy, they are also quite stupid, so you have to target who to send your BOE to, and stand your ground. You have a l...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a common problem, I'm afraid. Government bureaucrats are not only lazy, they are also quite stupid, so you have to target who to send your BOE to, and stand your ground. You have a legal right to settle all government bills with a BOE, but they don't know the law. You have to educate them. </p>
<p>I have recently updated the website with a much better presentation. Go here and read. Make sure you watch all the videos. Richard Vobes explains the Strawman concept brilliantly. </p>
<p><a href="https://cirnow.com.au/how-to-create-a-bill-of-exchange/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://cirnow.com.au/how-to-create-a-bill-of-exchange/</a></p>
<p>I host a zoom chat for Europe to discuss BoE's every Thursday at 9pm GMT. You are not alone, so join us and meet others in Europe using BoE's. The link to the show is on the Mike Holt Show home page (this site). Select the European image and click on it. Make sure you have Zoom installed first, and when you click on the image you will join the show in the waiting room. I'll admit you to the chat as soon as I can. </p>
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                        <title>BoE in the Netherlands, Europe. Please help.</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2025 09:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I really, really am in need of some help and I would tremendously appreciate it if someone would give this some of their precious time.Excuse the big letter please (don&#039;t seem to get that tu...]]></description>
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<h3 data-start="81" data-end="161"><em>I really, really am in need of some help and I would tremendously appreciate it if someone would give this some of their precious time.<br /><br /></em><em>Excuse the big letter please (don't seem to get that turned off...) and the length.<br /><br /></em><em>I have been (deep-)searching for the possibility of paying my GovCorp rent ('HW Wonen', below) here in the Netherlands with BoE. After MUCH research, and lots of extra input, the bot (ChatGPT) still did not come up with anything else than this. This is DeepSearch result. It looks long but you'll get the idea in secs, I assume. <br /><br /></em><em>Am I being gaslighted by system narratives here...?</em><br /><br /><br />1.<strong data-start="85" data-end="159"> Acceptance of Bills of Exchange and Promissory Notes by Dutch Banks</strong></h3>
<p data-start="162" data-end="926">In <strong data-start="165" data-end="191">Dutch banking practice</strong>, <strong data-start="193" data-end="244">bills of exchange (drafts) and promissory notes</strong> are almost no longer used by individuals, and banks hardly facilitate them outside of specialized trade finance. Major banks such as <strong data-start="378" data-end="409">ABN AMRO, ING, and Rabobank</strong> offer acceptance credit (<strong data-start="435" data-end="454">bank acceptance</strong>) only in the context of <strong data-start="479" data-end="515">international trade transactions</strong> (import/export). A <strong data-start="535" data-end="559">bill drawn on a bank</strong> – a so-called <strong data-start="574" data-end="593">bank acceptance</strong> – is nowadays <strong data-start="608" data-end="655">exclusively used in import/export financing</strong>. In consumer or regular payment environments, these instruments have largely disappeared. Checks were phased out in the Netherlands years ago, and the same applies to <strong data-start="823" data-end="861">bills of exchange/promissory notes</strong>: legally, they still exist, but <strong data-start="894" data-end="925">active use by banks is rare</strong>.</p>
<p data-start="928" data-end="1619">Banks are <strong data-start="938" data-end="953">not obliged</strong> to accept or discount bills of exchange or promissory notes drawn by a private individual, and in practice, they rarely do so. <strong data-start="1081" data-end="1118">Even businesses face difficulties</strong> if they want to work with bills or promissory notes; many companies experience that their <strong data-start="1209" data-end="1261">house bank refuses financing for smaller amounts</strong>. The Dutch government even set up a <strong data-start="1298" data-end="1321">special fund (DTIF)</strong> to address this issue because <strong data-start="1352" data-end="1418">banks are often unwilling to finance smaller bill transactions</strong>. This illustrates that <strong data-start="1442" data-end="1484">regular Dutch banks are hardly willing</strong> to accept or discount individual bills unless they involve substantial business transactions, often requiring <strong data-start="1595" data-end="1618">additional security</strong>.</p>
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<h3 data-start="1626" data-end="1680"><strong data-start="1630" data-end="1678">2. The Role of Foreign Banks for Individuals</strong></h3>
<p data-start="1681" data-end="2282">Given the <strong data-start="1691" data-end="1729">lack of interest among Dutch banks</strong>, one could consider <strong data-start="1750" data-end="1767">foreign banks</strong> or <strong data-start="1771" data-end="1795">international routes</strong>. In some other countries, the use of <strong data-start="1833" data-end="1854">bills of exchange</strong> is still somewhat common in <strong data-start="1883" data-end="1908">business transactions</strong>. In international trade, <strong data-start="1934" data-end="1958">banker’s acceptances</strong> exist, and promissory notes are traded in certain markets. A <strong data-start="2020" data-end="2036">foreign bank</strong> could, in theory, <strong data-start="2055" data-end="2114">honor or discount a bill of exchange or promissory note</strong>, but <strong data-start="2120" data-end="2147">strict conditions apply</strong>. Typically, a bank will only purchase a bill if it has been <strong data-start="2208" data-end="2280">accepted or guaranteed by a creditworthy party (e.g., a bank itself)</strong>.</p>
<p data-start="2284" data-end="2602">For example, <strong data-start="2297" data-end="2330">the Bank of China (Rotterdam)</strong> explicitly states that it only <strong data-start="2362" data-end="2444">discounts export bills of exchange if they are accepted or guaranteed by banks</strong>. In other words: a <strong data-start="2464" data-end="2564">promissory note signed solely by an individual without a bank guarantee holds little to no value</strong> in the international banking world.</p>
<p data-start="2604" data-end="3271">For a <strong data-start="2610" data-end="2638">Dutch private individual</strong>, it is generally <strong data-start="2656" data-end="2681">not a realistic route</strong> to arrange payment via a foreign bank unless they have <strong data-start="2737" data-end="2787">a relationship and collateral with such a bank</strong>. Banks abroad, like those in the Netherlands, will <strong data-start="2839" data-end="2928">view a promissory note from a private person as a risky unsecured debt acknowledgment</strong>. Unless one <strong data-start="2941" data-end="2985">offers a deposit guarantee or collateral</strong>, or the bill is <strong data-start="3002" data-end="3046">co-signed by a highly creditworthy party</strong>, a foreign bank will <strong data-start="3068" data-end="3092">not treat it as cash</strong>. Additionally, there are <strong data-start="3118" data-end="3141">extra complications</strong> when <strong data-start="3147" data-end="3174">cross-border collection</strong> of such an instrument is involved (<strong data-start="3210" data-end="3267">bill protest, enforceability in another country, etc.</strong>).</p>
<p data-start="3273" data-end="3604">Using <strong data-start="3279" data-end="3324">foreign factoring or forfaiting companies</strong> is also <strong data-start="3333" data-end="3371">not common for private individuals</strong>; these institutions focus on <strong data-start="3401" data-end="3452">business transactions with insured debtor risks</strong>. <strong data-start="3454" data-end="3604">Although foreign banks may still work with bills of exchange in some systems, this offers little hope of a usable solution for a Dutch individual.</strong></p>
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<h3 data-start="3611" data-end="3672"><strong data-start="3615" data-end="3670">3. Legal and Contractual Arguments Against HW Wonen</strong></h3>
<p data-start="3673" data-end="3936"><strong data-start="3673" data-end="3710">HW Wonen (as a creditor/landlord)</strong> <strong data-start="3711" data-end="3739">cannot legally be forced</strong> to accept a <strong data-start="3752" data-end="3791">bill of exchange or promissory note</strong> as payment. The <strong data-start="3808" data-end="3827">rental contract</strong> will almost certainly state that <strong data-start="3861" data-end="3891">rent must be paid in euros</strong> (e.g., via bank transfer or direct debit).</p>
<p data-start="3938" data-end="4494">A <strong data-start="3940" data-end="4017">unilaterally offered bill of exchange is not considered an actual payment</strong> of rent debt but merely a <strong data-start="4044" data-end="4073">promise of future payment</strong>. The <strong data-start="4079" data-end="4108">general rule in Dutch law</strong> is that a <strong data-start="4119" data-end="4172">creditor has the right to actual payment in money</strong>, <strong data-start="4174" data-end="4201">unless agreed otherwise</strong>. Even <strong data-start="4208" data-end="4266">cash money (legal tender) does not have to be accepted</strong> by a creditor if <strong data-start="4284" data-end="4345">other payment methods have been contractually agreed upon</strong>. A <strong data-start="4349" data-end="4408">bill of exchange or promissory note is not legal tender</strong> and falls <strong data-start="4419" data-end="4451">outside of normal agreements</strong>, so HW Wonen <strong data-start="4465" data-end="4491">may refuse it outright</strong>.</p>
<p data-start="4496" data-end="4679">In fact, the <strong data-start="4509" data-end="4547">Dutch government explicitly states</strong>:<br data-start="4548" data-end="4551" /><strong data-start="4551" data-end="4612">“The law does not require anyone to accept legal tender.”</strong> – let alone non-legal instruments such as <strong data-start="4655" data-end="4676">a promissory note</strong>.</p>
<p data-start="4681" data-end="4952">There is <strong data-start="4690" data-end="4716">barely any legal basis</strong> to <strong data-start="4720" data-end="4738">force HW Wonen</strong> to accept it. The <strong data-start="4757" data-end="4774">only scenario</strong> in which enforcement would be possible is if the <strong data-start="4824" data-end="4901">contract explicitly stated that payment by bill of exchange was permitted</strong>, which <strong data-start="4909" data-end="4949">is not the case in rental agreements</strong>.</p>
<p data-start="4954" data-end="5686">Offering a <strong data-start="4965" data-end="5004">bill of exchange or promissory note</strong> could at best be considered a <strong data-start="5035" data-end="5073">proposal for a payment arrangement</strong>. HW Wonen would have to <strong data-start="5098" data-end="5123">voluntarily accept it</strong>, which would amount to <strong data-start="5147" data-end="5185">granting a postponement of payment</strong>. Legally, <strong data-start="5196" data-end="5221">the rent debt remains</strong> until the bill is actually cashed. This means that <strong data-start="5273" data-end="5319">if the bill is not honored on the due date</strong>, HW Wonen can still <strong data-start="5340" data-end="5383">claim the rent + any interest/penalties</strong>, after formally protesting the bill. <strong data-start="5421" data-end="5506">Offering a bill does not eliminate the obligation to pay rent, only postpones it.</strong> HW Wonen has the right to say: <strong data-start="5538" data-end="5587">"No, you must pay according to the contract."</strong> If you <strong data-start="5595" data-end="5612">fail to do so</strong>, you will be <strong data-start="5626" data-end="5640">in default</strong>, regardless of the offered promissory note.</p>
<p data-start="5688" data-end="6156">A <strong data-start="5690" data-end="5711">possible argument</strong> to <strong data-start="5715" data-end="5752">persuade (but not force) HW Wonen</strong> could be that <strong data-start="5767" data-end="5821">acceptance of a bill offers a more formal security</strong> than a <strong data-start="5829" data-end="5847">verbal promise</strong>. By <strong data-start="5852" data-end="5878">accepting or endorsing</strong> a bill, the debtor <strong data-start="5898" data-end="5934">explicitly acknowledges the debt</strong> and <strong data-start="5939" data-end="5959">a fixed due date</strong>. If the bill is not paid, the creditor can have it <strong data-start="6011" data-end="6057">officially registered via a notary protest</strong> (historically in the "List of Protests") and potentially <strong data-start="6115" data-end="6153">recover the amount from co-signers</strong>.</p>
<p data-start="6158" data-end="6601">However, these legal steps <strong data-start="6185" data-end="6241">do not provide HW Wonen with any additional benefits</strong> beyond those of a normal <strong data-start="6267" data-end="6289">collection process</strong>. The <strong data-start="6295" data-end="6354">rental contract itself already gives them a legal basis</strong> to demand payment; an <strong data-start="6377" data-end="6453">extra paper document does not significantly improve their legal position</strong>. Therefore, <strong data-start="6466" data-end="6502">HW Wonen has no legal obligation</strong> to cooperate, and there is <strong data-start="6530" data-end="6600">little incentive for them to voluntarily accept a bill of exchange</strong>.</p>
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<h3 data-start="6608" data-end="6665"><strong data-start="6612" data-end="6663">4. Financial Incentives to Encourage Acceptance</strong></h3>
<p data-start="6666" data-end="6844">HW Wonen would only consider <strong data-start="6695" data-end="6746">accepting a bill of exchange or promissory note</strong> if there are <strong data-start="6760" data-end="6790">clear financial advantages</strong>. Some potential benefits that <strong data-start="6821" data-end="6843">could be presented</strong>:</p>
<ul data-start="6846" data-end="7686">
<li data-start="6846" data-end="7095">
<p data-start="6848" data-end="6903"><strong data-start="6848" data-end="6900">Interest compensation and compensation for delay</strong>:</p>
<ul data-start="6906" data-end="7095">
<li data-start="6906" data-end="7014">You could issue the bill for a <strong data-start="6939" data-end="6979">higher amount than the original debt</strong>, or <strong data-start="6984" data-end="7011">with an interest clause</strong>.</li>
<li data-start="7017" data-end="7095">HW Wonen would receive <strong data-start="7042" data-end="7064">extra compensation</strong> for waiting for the payment.</li>
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</li>
<li data-start="7097" data-end="7392">
<p data-start="7099" data-end="7142"><strong data-start="7099" data-end="7139">Additional security (guarantee/aval)</strong>:</p>
<ul data-start="7145" data-end="7392">
<li data-start="7145" data-end="7243">A promissory note can be <strong data-start="7172" data-end="7204">backed by a guarantor (aval)</strong> – someone co-signing as a guarantee.</li>
<li data-start="7246" data-end="7392">If a <strong data-start="7253" data-end="7320">third party (e.g., a financially stable family member) co-signs</strong>, this increases the <strong data-start="7341" data-end="7377">verifiability and enforceability</strong> of the debt.</li>
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<li data-start="7394" data-end="7686">
<p data-start="7396" data-end="7448"><strong data-start="7396" data-end="7445">Possibility of discounting (liquidity option)</strong>:</p>
<ul data-start="7451" data-end="7686">
<li data-start="7451" data-end="7572">In <strong data-start="7456" data-end="7466">theory</strong>, HW Wonen <strong data-start="7477" data-end="7495">could discount</strong> the accepted bill with their bank to receive immediate cash (minus costs).</li>
<li data-start="7575" data-end="7686">However, as mentioned, <strong data-start="7600" data-end="7683">banks rarely accept promissory notes from individuals without strong guarantees</strong>.</li>
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<h3 data-start="7693" data-end="7752"><strong data-start="7697" data-end="7750">5. Practical Steps &amp; Obstacles in the Netherlands</strong></h3>
<p data-start="7753" data-end="7797">To try this strategy, one should consider:</p>
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<li data-start="7799" data-end="7858"><strong data-start="7802" data-end="7856">Formally drafting a legally valid promissory note.</strong></li>
<li data-start="7859" data-end="7953"><strong data-start="7862" data-end="7951">Presenting it as a structured payment arrangement rather than a replacement for rent.</strong></li>
<li data-start="7954" data-end="8005"><strong data-start="7957" data-end="8003">Engaging a notary or bank for credibility.</strong></li>
<li data-start="8006" data-end="8070"><strong data-start="8009" data-end="8068">Preparing for rejection and having an alternative plan.</strong></li>
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<h3 data-start="8077" data-end="8097"><strong data-start="8081" data-end="8095">Conclusion</strong></h3>
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<li data-start="8098" data-end="8192"><strong data-start="8100" data-end="8115">Dutch banks</strong> do <strong data-start="8119" data-end="8126">not</strong> facilitate <strong data-start="8138" data-end="8161">private individuals</strong> using <strong data-start="8168" data-end="8189">bills of exchange</strong>.</li>
<li data-start="8193" data-end="8275"><strong data-start="8195" data-end="8224">HW Wonen cannot be forced</strong> to accept a bill of exchange or promissory note.</li>
<li data-start="8276" data-end="8346"><strong data-start="8278" data-end="8344">Persuasion might work, but only with clear financial benefits.</strong></li>
<li data-start="8347" data-end="8457"><strong data-start="8349" data-end="8418">The modern financial system no longer relies on these instruments</strong>, making success <strong data-start="8435" data-end="8454">highly unlikely</strong>.<br /><br /><br /><br /><em>I am autistic and at the moment in full state of overwhelm... THANK YOU for reading and thank you for your help...!</em></li>
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                        <title>RE: Cestui que trust: Legal right to access the trust</title>
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                        <description><![CDATA[(@johnwick) You don&#039;t have to prove anything. They have made the claim, now it&#039;s up to them to prove it. 
Of course you have the right to pay with a BOE. It&#039;s the only valid financial instr...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>(@johnwick) You don't have to prove anything. They have made the claim, now it's up to them to prove it. </span></p>
<p>Of course you have the right to pay with a BOE. It's the only valid financial instrument available. Banks only operate on BOE. </p>
<p>Stop trying to do their job for them. Once you send the BOE, it's up to them to process it. That means they must know and understand the law. These are the law we are all operating under:<br />https://cirnow.com.au/dealing-with-fines-2-returning-the-demand/<br />https://cirnow.com.au/u-c-c-article-3-negotiable-instruments-2002/<br />https://cirnow.com.au/bills-of-exchange-act-1909-explained/</p>]]></content:encoded>
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